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p90x plyometrics x review part 2, please forgive me Tony Horton

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So awhile back I had hired a business coach to help me brand my business and one of the things that he asked me was “Why is it that people listen to you? What type of people do you attract online?” Well to be honest I didn’t really have an answer. I just kind of do what I do and say what’s on my mind, and some people follow me. So I asked some questions to find out.

Probably the most common response was that people were tired of the lies and gimmicks that run rampant in the fitness industry and that they saw me as an honest guy that happened to know what I’m talking about that genuinely wants to help people and had an entertaining writing style.

Awhile back I did an unfavorable write up on p90x plyometrics X and recently it’s caught a lot of people’s attention many of which I guess I hurt their feelings.

Personal attacks began which to me demonstrates the depth of their intelligence or lack thereof. I guess they didn’t read that I had said that p90x actually does get some pretty good and legit before and after pics. In a day and age where on a bag of peanuts you have to put the disclaimer of “Caution, may contain peanuts” I shouldn’t have been that surprised.

It better contain peanuts, or I'll be upset


So let’s set the record straight in as basic terms as I can come up with…

p90x plyometrics x is not real plyometrics

neither is p90x yoga x

or kenpo x

The results from p90x aren’t from the muscle confusion marketing gimmick…they are from…wait for it…hard exercise + nutrition…the hallmark of any halfway decent fat loss program.

BUT despite all that, unlike many late night products, the results in the p90x before and after pictures as far as I can tell real….that’s the most important part

not real plyos, but it's better then the "Situation Workout"

Now…why would I do unfavorable review about p90x plyometrics x?

Well first I am an honest guy and that was an honest review even though it wasn’t what a lot of people want to hear.

Second, p90x gets 2,240,000 monthly searches with low keyword competition and it made it low hanging fruit for me to piggy back traffic off of p90x’s notoriety and present some alternatives.

Third, it’s a bit of fun for me to ruffle your feathers and a lot of people played right into it (owned!).

Fourth was to sneak in a way to educate people that might be interested on what true plyos really are and explain it which just happened to be very different then what p90x plyometrics x is. Note…plyos are heavily abused and there are a lot worse offenders then air guitar squats and some other things on the plyometrics x dvd and in general there are a lot worse programs out there that people could make the mistake of following. Jillian Micheals and Bob Harper…yes that was a dig towards you.

oh and I think p90x is a better program then insanity for the record…because it balances the pushing movements with pulling ones.

A short time ago I was interviewed for Garage Gym online and was asked about my stance in p90x and if you had read it you might have recalled me saying “If the worst thing people did was p90x then the industry is still a lot better off then people trying to take acai berry extracts and doing Hip Hop Abs (another Beach Body product).”

So because p90x actually does help people, even if it’s not real plyos, or yoga, or kenpo, and because p90x does not have over 200 cases and counting of exercise induced rhabdomyalsis and because an unfavorable review might prevent someone from buying p90x and mislead them into buying some BS kettlebell program like KettleWorx, Kettlenetics or the Situation Workout (I’m saving a review for them later) they probably wouldn’t have the attention to detail to learn safe technique anyways, and because a girl I’ve become friendly with said “please” in a way that makes it hard to say “no”. I am going to plead to Tony Horton who probably won’t read either post to please forgive me anyways.

Tony, if you can hear me, I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings even though I doubt you read my post. Please forgive me and keep “bringing it”.

And please cease the attacks on this “worthless nobody”, my narcissistic ego can’t possibly take it anymore. Sticks and stones may break my bones but comments on my blog from someone without a face will make me cry myself to sleep. Maybe I should go bend some spikes or roll up a frying pan or something to make me feel better.

Eric Moss
Thanks for being awesome…or forgiving…which is divine and all that stuff.

15 Comments

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Keep telling the truth. Consumers should be aware of it. I am hoping to be on tv here in the next week or so to blast tv fat loss shows as indicative of how consumers should seek to lose weight. As you say – sensible nutrition+ exercise = better body. No need to scream, shout or humiliate.

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Andrew I appreciate the support and coming from someone who trains Olympians, well it’s cool :)
Let me know when you are on tv. I’d love to watch it.

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Eric,

I really like P90X (I did it 3 times and lost about 25lbs) and I also think you are 100% correct. I also have my before and after picture (http://myworkout.garbuz.com/general-fitness/before-and-after-part-2/).

But Plyo X is NOT plyometrics and it has nothing to do with athletic conditioning. It really should be called high intensity cardio workout. It does get the job done when you need to loose weight (burn fat) but it will not make you a better athlete.

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one more thing: you are right, if you eat right, and if you eat less calories than you burn you will lose weight whether you do plyo or not. P90X is all about eating right and burning more than you consume.

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Alex, congrats on the fat loss. Most won’t have the nuts to see it through but you are doing a great job. Keep it up

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Thanks. I appreciate the compliment. What was even more impressive I did this all while recovering from a nasty knee injury that I got playing hockey.

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Mikey (A trainer from Europe)
May 1st, 2012 at 8:19 am

Hi Eric, I happen to read your that “unfavorable article” about P90X and just thought “oh, at least there are people who know what the actual plyo exercises are!”. And now I feel I should write up a few things after I read this article and heard the sad personal attacks you’ve been receiving.

I heard this P90X program years ago from my students, had it and completed it as myself a couple times and benefited from it even though I was already in good shape. So, like you just explained, it’s not a bad program, especially considering the other products on the market. The success of the program comes from its balanced and intense content with a nice nutrition support. So it deserves the credit for being a decent guide to the people who don’t know what to do and how to exercise, especially for the ones who cannot afford for a gym or a personal trainer.

However I cannot help myself but definitely agree with you on the certain aspects. First of all, your point about that the P90x plyos not being the actual plyometrics is, well, actually not even debatable. You’re just rightful, it’s just plain and simple. As a person who has graduated from the university on the subjected profession, I can assure you that I feel your frustration about the misconception of the plyometrics in the P90X. Especially, when you consider what the actual plyometric exercises aim for, that relentless endurance-cardio jumpings and squats in the P90X plyos seem way of the base. Of course they work and they will do good for the people work through, but the problem is, why do you call that practice as plyometrics which has entirely different concept?

Secondly, you have some valid points about people being self-righteous via achieving this kind of fitness program. It’s basically a disgrace to the pro-atlethes and simply unfair. My expertise is for basketball and I can say (through my tens of years experience) this, people have no idea about what it takes to be a pro-athlete. It’s not about finishing a 90 day fitness program, it is a life dedication matter if I have to put in the simplest way. And no, you can’t be just like a pro-athlete just over a pocket-fitness marketing product. Sure you can be fit, catch a good form or maybe even do more push ups than some pro athletes who haven’t workout for that purpose. But no, you can’t go through a season of one of my players do via a purchase-program, unless you’re an athlete from the beginning too.

Third, P90X is not magical. Expressly, that “muscle confusion” topic is highly debatable. To me, the all trick is the intense, rich and balanced content which basically requires people to get their lazy asses off the sofas and move it, of course only if they do it. The diet program is also decent too. But briefly, it’s a marketing success, with a decent fitness program.

And finally I just want to tell that I’m really sad to hear you’re getting personal attacks over such a silly subject. Actually over telling the truth… But I say, never mind them! You’re doing good job at what you’re doing. I’m surveying your site for a few days, and I can say I sure will visit it regularly from now on, you just keep up the good work!

With best wishes, Hakan from Istanbul, Turkey.

By the way, forgive my bad English, trying to improve it…

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Mikey (or is it Hakan?)
Your English is just fine, and your education is sound…more sound then most :)

Keep commenting, since you are a smart dude and it can keep me in check :)

Eric Moss

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Eric,

Am I wrong in thinking that you are overestimating the amount people comparing themselves to pro athletes because they do P90X? Although I do admit that the “90″ in P90X is more creative marketing than fact (it took me longer than 90 days to lose 35 lbs), I must say that your reviews of the program are at best hypercritical.

I have been doing the program for just under two years now, and I am doing things at the age of 45 that I wouldn’t have thought twice about doing when I was in my twenties. Plyo X may not be “real” pro-grade level Plyometrics like what GSP was doing in that video (keep in mind that the average person is holding down a 9 to 5 in addition to trying to stay in shape), but Plyo X works for me, as it has done wonders for my stamina and endurance.

While I wholeheartedly agree with you that no one in their right mind would compare themselves to pro athletes because they do P90X, the comment you made about “looking like a fool jumping around in the living room” was unfair, as if you believe people who haven’t achieved your level of fitness are mere posers and shouldn’t even bother working out unless he/she is able to do as much.

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Dennis
read the part again about the reason why I chose to pick on the p90x cult. Highly searched term, low keyword competition…that’s easy pickins for me and my blog. The reality is most people would never achieve my level of fitness no matter how sound the program is because it requires work…something most people forget about. If you are getting results rock on and keep it up.

Eric

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Hi again Eric, it’s Hakan, Mikey is my online alias :)

Sorry to hear you about your rough times but glad to hear that you’re doing quite well. I liked your latest entries, keep it up.

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So do you prefer I call you Mikey? Or Hakan?

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Eric,

I was curious what is your opinion of Insanity and also the Asylum workouts? Have you had a chance to look at them?

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Sorry for late reply, it’s OK either way, Eric, but Hakan is my real name so you can call me Hakan as if I’m your friend.

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Insanity looks like glorified aerobics to me. I haven’t seen asylum but I suspect it’s probably along the same lines

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